Andrea Sadegh on Reality Brief trauma-based mind control – recorded on May 4th, broadcasted on May 8th, 2019 – full transcription
Dan&Don: Hi guys, Wednesday night, I am Dan – I am Don – you are watching Reality Brief. We got a special guest tonight – Andrea. How are you doing tonight, Andrea?
Andrea: I am fine so far, how are you?
Dan&Don: Great. So, you talk to us from Austria, right?
Andrea: Yes, Austria, Vienna.
Dan&Don: Your specialty I guess you can call it would be trauma-based mind control – your website is on the screen www.traumabasedmindcontrol.com
Andrea: Yes, I am specialised on the symptoms of the small and smallest ones, when all this mind fracture and basic programming is starting.
Dan&Don: So, how did you get into this? Like, what was your circumstances finding out about all this stuff?
Andrea: Well, I came into this topic over my son, when he was 2 1/2 years old. He, after actually not even half a year with visits at his daddy (on his own) and – had quite all of sudden horrible flashbacks telling me the most crazy, horrendous things you have ever heard. And within the flashbacks there was no doubt that he had suffered something severely, so I was trying to puzzle out what might have happened without knowing anything about satanic ritual abuse or MK ultra and – I started to write down line by line what he told me also describing his language, his body language, what triggered him, and so on… and, sent it to courts, and always asking to have him examined in detail over MRT/CT. Courts refused (to have him examined in detail) and – Austrian government took him then away. Now I know – because he recognized 72+ perpetrators involved in his basic mind fracture and also as his programmers or mk ultra trainers and, afterwards, they claimed “no, the boy would be healthy and would have nothing”. So, the blame was put on me as a kind of patsy or scapegoat and after that, they presented me under supervised visits my highly traumatized son very openly so, he actually is officially in a MK ultra program. With no chance to get help for him, with no chance to get any examinations. This is the status quo now since 2011, so he is ongoing in a program for 7 years now.
Dan&Don: That´s heart-breaking – that´s heart-breaking and frightening that they just can do this to people this network of abusers, nefarious bastards in position of power are able to exert this kind of influence over society as a whole
Dan&Don: So, what type of things was he telling you at first when he was having these flashbacks?
Andrea: I mean it started when he had a flashback when looking in the mirror – this was very stunning – there I realized that he had experienced violence this was the starting, you know, and then all of a sudden he started – one example I always tell – because it is the most horrific and also the most embarrassing one, even to talk about it: he was tortured with a toilet brush. So, he took a toilet brush and all of a sudden he had the memory (trigger) “I know this, I know this toilet brush” and he was crying for hours, shouting, shivering, panicking but you know, there are different ways a child can cry, as a parent you see when it is panic, horrific… But one can also it on children from others – but back, so he was crying like crazy and first I thought, well, yes, they might have him beaten him with this, until I found out over hours or even weeks, that they used the handle of the toilet brush to penetrate him with that, to sodomize him with that. And, one hand – you know – you have your tortured child, so you have no doubt that his happened and on the other hand – just imagine – you as a parent, now have to go to police, to prosecution office and tell them, well, yes this happened.
Who should believe you, so these groups (and networks) are bestial brilliant to always put the blame on you as a concerned parent as well on the children, as no one would believe it.
After all these torture happenings – water-boarding, he was rolled into a carpet… he was trained to act as a baby prostitute (etc.) and you as a concerned parent, you have to explain prosecution office, police that this can happen, that this does happen and, that even many perpetrators were present whom he had to name “mummy” or “daddy”. So, you come with this quite weird stuff, if you do not anything about satanic ritual abuse, ritual abuse – child trafficking – or mk ultra – you nearly have no chance to get someone to listen to you. And, what is very interesting, I several times offered authorities they can examine me psychiatrically, they even can have my son – after a detailed examination over CT/MRT/(nuclear medical examination) – and if my son would not have anything… he can live with his “father” – I really offered anything and they (courts, authorities) denied, denied, denied.
So, it is very difficult when you are in this situation as a parent to even get an examination for these children. And, there is the Istanbul Protocol from the United Nations, so hundreds of torture specialists wrote these (guidelines) for torture cases – a guideline for acting in torture cases – this is now the official recommendation from the United Nations, and the point is, no one knows about it or claims not to know about it and if you have a tortured child no one is helping these children.
Dan&Don: Now, when this first started happening, what did you think that it might be first, or did you think automatically that it was this?
Andrea: We here in Austria do not know anything about satanic ritual abuse or MK ultra. So, I had no idea what was going on but thanks to the information my son was able to give me about the perpetrators, I realized that they are well well educated, they are university professors, physicians, psychologists, so I knew that they are no idiots, you know. So, I just thought, there must be something, a bigger structure behind that… Because they would not take such a risk and they would not be able to do it so professionally, you know, the way I saw that my son was trained as a baby prostitute… was highly professional. It was heartbreaking, heart-breaking, but I realized that this was done on a highly professional level.
Or situations, where he changed personalities, I named it “he changed his status or consciousness” I did not realize that he already was a split personality with deliberately caused multiple personality disorder – I did not know this (in those days), so I described it differently.
So, there was a personality which did not recognize me any more: I was with him on the street and all of a sudden, he changed into this alter and he did not see me anymore (standing in front of him), so he was like standing alone on the street, trying to join other adults.
And from “small” – let´s say “small” things – I realized “O my god, this is a huge, huge, huge systematic thing done on him”.
Dan&Don: So, if you suspect that your child is maybe a victim of this, what are the symptoms that you would normally look out for? Besides from what you already said.
Andrea: I mean the first symptoms, during the first visits were, that he came home very ill, you know. I was at the doctor´s with him nearly twice a week and the doctor´s – the paediatric, meaning the child physicians – always prescribed him antibiotics. Now I know they described him antibiotics all the time to heal his inner wounds, because you nearly never see some wounds or bruises.
White torture is used – so, you cannot track water-boarding, you cannot track (all kinds of white torture) – so, they often roll the children into carpets to beat them there, because this does not leave traces… And, he already was “clean” we say in German, meaning he was able to go on his own to his potty, so, I did not check his genitals, his anus in detail. And what I know now is, that – or pricking with needles, they pricked his tooth root canal – they use everything that does not leave VISIBLE traces.
So the first symptoms are that they get ill, very ill, are stopping to talk, he already was able to talk, also, he needed soothers again and, he had enormous mood swings, unexplainable at the beginning and after he was already programmed – at least the basic steps of programming were done – after some breaks in visiting his “father” – all the things came out, one after the next, over months…
Another symptom, this is very important because it is heart-breaking – those children are always surrounded with perpetrators. So, take very care, when you child liked a (former) friend, a family member, a neighbour, (etc.) and all of a sudden, the toddler is telling you this person is not nice anymore. Take really care when this is happening, especially in this age when it is a five year old child, it might be a mood or the child might be just playing but especially serious when it is a toddler, because these groups are – meaning no single person can do this harm – so they are operating in groups, so you have involved neighbours, involved family members and you have involved acquaintances and it is also convincing the child that you would be cooperating unconsciously, because your child is told “your mummy or your daddy …” – I also know many concerned fathers… as protective fathers …. They always tell the child, “your mother or your father… want that you have now “ouch” – he/she is agreeing on that”.
And it is very stressing on a soul level as a protective parent, having no clue about the situation and the child who is experiencing this double-bind situation, that you are in contact with the perpetrators, meaning the protective mother or father is in contact with the perpetrators (without knowing).
And my son was convinced over weeks, that I wanted him to be tortured. – – –
Dan&Don: This is terrible.
Andrea: Yes, yes.
Dan&Don: Was there a family member involved in your case?
Andrea. Yes, actually my whole family is involved. It took me quite a while to find out – he told me quite late about family members involved – because they were close, they were I mean I was even phoning with them, telling them about his torture. He was listening while I was phoning with family members… So, I was even allowing his so called “grandmother” to babysit him, while I was at courts trying to find help for him (…) So of course – this was also done to re-trigger him, and she (at least) re-triggered him, and so on… So, I brought this to courts (too), nevertheless courts ignored it, and now I know of course, years later, that I grew up in a total mk ultra family
Dan&Don: So, from your page (www.traumabasedmindcontrol.com) it seems as courts were complicit and took care that the case would never see the light of the day.
Andrea: Yes, yes, yes. What I also know now is, that they were phoning around (to manipulate, influence, betray officials where necessary), I mean I had many former friends or acquaintances who were involved so, seemingly it was a whole set-up my live which I did not realize because I did not realize that I am programmed, mk-ed myself. So, on one hand it was heart-breaking for me to see that all friends or acquaintances were joining the crime because my son already told me and on the other hand, I felt so free, it was so much healing in this information itself, you know.
That might sound a bit weird, but truth is always healing. And I also realized this with my son first: Every single story that he was able to tell me meant healing for him – instant healing – like with a finger snip, you know. So, as heart-breaking as it is it is healing.
Dan&Don: That´s good, at least.
Andrea: Yes, and sorry, for all parents that might be in this situation, what it is also extremely heart-breaking, is, my son claimed for example that I am not his mummy anymore … he was not allowed not allowed to call me “mummy” anymore but “Andrea” – he had to call me with my first name and it is heart-breaking, when you are dedicated parent and all of a sudden your child claims “you are not my mummy – you are not my father – anymore” and it took me actually years to find out what was going on until – there was this tape from the pizzagate researchers – – they have it on audio, how it comes to the point that a child has to say to others – to strangers – mum and dad – caused via plain horrific torture.
Dan&Don: And how old is your son, now?
Andrea: 2 to 2 1/2years was the period (…)
Dan&Don: Oh now, sorry, how old he is currently right now in the present?
Andrea: Currently present he is 10 years now.
Dan&Don: So, this has been ongoing for a while?
Andrea: Yes, ongoing for a while, yes. And the last horrific thing that happened – I mean already in 2011, when he was 2 1/2yrs old, he told me that he now would be a girlie, that he would not be able to get children and told me about castration, that they told him at least that they would have him castrated – they do this quite often by crushing the inner genitals – or pricking with needles (into the inner genitals) – – or taking out even the bulbourethral gland – but that is something technical you can read this up on my website – and, in addition to this – they sent me a picture of him, this January 2019, a few months ago without any comment, where I saw, that he already lost – ALL – his adult teeth. This is often caused via torture, via electroshock or other means so, am they show me – again – openly that my beloved son is tortured. I wrote to court again – prosecution office AND family court – and all I get back is “there is no initial suspicion” – not to even have a look on the boy, not to have him examined in detail.
Dan&Don: Well, it makes you wonder how much of this stuff authorities are covering up? You know, because it is not just one person, you know what I mean?
Andrea: Yes. I mean this is the – it took me quite some time to find out – at least at the moment I think to be honest – I think that I was groomed for this role to create a kind of strategic entanglement machinery, because every single doctor, physicians, psychologist, therapist, teacher, kindergartener (pre-school teacher) prosecution officer, judge, police officer – they are all entangled because it would be their duty to help this child. And by covering-up, preventing him from basic medical examinations and treatment is a crime, also here in Austria. A severe crime, because torture – it´s like murder, you can get even jailed for helping or allowing torture actually you can get jailed even 60 years afterwards, you know.
Dan&Don: Yes, there is no here we call it “statute of limitation”, how much time it is past between when the crime was actually committed and the present day.
Andrea: Yes, exactly. Thank you for the technical term. Same here – and so I am very worried, extremely worried that they are going to kill my son therefore, then claim the child would have had an accident.
Dan&Don: So, what do you estimate is the point of it, why they are doing this to all the children?
Andrea: I mean, we call it (egg-laying wool milk pig) – I mean – you just have if you are a psychopath and think like a psychopath, I grew up with them, so I know much about how they think, you just have advantages: You can first use these children as part of their basic mind fracture as baby prostitutes. The younger they are the more money you get. Then secondly you have the satanic component, you can do a lot of black magic rituals, energy transfers, experimentations within some satanic cults and then you have the third row of physicians, doing plain mk ultra research, improving their programs or even try to sell a certain type of program. So, everyone is earning from that, as well on top it is known, that the Nazis started to do this – you can entangle a whole population with this crime.
We know for example, many whistle-blowers are talking about it, that you can be invited to a huge event, and you are proud because you think, yes, well this is important for my career your ego is (getting big) and you are excited to be there and we know that they are mixing drugs into the drinks there and then they let you participate in some (torture) rituals. So, of course this is filmed, and from then on, if you don´t go to police, to prosecution office and report about the drugs, the torture and hand yourself in, you are entangled.
And the next step is, that they can also ask for your children. And grandchildren.
Dan&Don: We knew this for quite a long time that they use this type of stuff as a black mail device.
Dan&Don: You do not even have to necessarily participate in it, a picture of you in a room is enough.
Andrea: Yes. I mean this is the most common procedure for those who are not in SRA or MK ultra. But here in Austria seemingly – I mean we have here the old Nazi home-base, I mean Adolf Hitler was Austrian – the SS academy of physicians was brought to Austria, to Graz, that is a town 2 hours away from Vienna – in 1940, so still SS academy of physicians is operating here – it was never shut down, so we have here such a high density of SRA and MK ultra in general population.
Dan&Don: So, you say this is perpetrated basically by the 4th REICH?
Andrea: Yes, this is interesting, we have here 4th REICH but we have here also at least as my research goes to at the moment, I think we have here extremely strong THULE, with THULE I mean the combination of VRIL, the 4th REICH and the Vatican. Now also – unfortunately in Vienna – also having large co-operations with MOSSAD and with Russian secret service. Vienna for example was always said to be a melting pot of the secret services of the east and west, as it is a country, meaning a city, on the former boarder of east and west. So, we here have any secret services and they are sitting – I mean for us it is here the Nazis, there the Jews, then the Muslims – but we know that in their free-masonic lodges – or in their power centres they are sitting around one table together.
Dan&Don: Yes, wow. You know within our own research we discovered that that the THULE is actually behind the rise of the Nazi party.
Dan&Don: They basically installed Hitler.
Andrea: They installed Hitler, they financed him. I mean there was so much money available for their research, for their military equipment, for their space flying saucers and so on… Even just look at their clothes, they were made by the later designer Hugo Boss. So, they had even designer cloths. Who paid for this in a country that had no money after the 1st world war?
Dan&Don: They were financed from Switzerland. I have learned everything from living in a military town – it is you have to look out where people go to receive funding for things – and – yeah – funding is king. It is funny, because the first time I ever heard about this about the whole concept about SRA, about satanic ritual abuse was that someone I used to be friends with from high-school and her mum told me that she basically got turned on into a conspiracy theory about this worldwide network of paedophiles that was basically run by the Vatican.
Dan&Don: And the Jesuit order was actually on the centre of it.
Andrea: Yes, exactly – I also always land at the Jesuits (doing research) – And the interesting thing for example, the brother of Wernher von Braun – Wernher von Braun, the rocket scientist and head of NASA and so on – his brother – Sigismund (von Braun) – was a diplomat in the Vatican.
Dan&Don: I did not know that.
Andrea: So, you have the connection within one click. And of course, we have here mostly Nazis or former Nazis but especially in our own case, my son recognized perpetrators from Nazi families and from Jewish families committing the crime hand in hand. So, that does not make the situation easier, and actually when I am going against one group, the other comes and attacks me back… and they are protecting each other.
Dan&Don: Yeah, I think that it is a mistake to counter column. Nazis were behind it, because Nazis were just a creation of occult societies and THULE was basically all the ones who were active in Germany and suck them all up in form of a super cult. So, I mean even though the Nazi party is long gone the actually driving force behind it is still well active, still rock n rolling. And then you get the ties to the O.T.O from that. Do you want to speak on that Dan?
Andrea: The O.T.O – I did not get that?
Dan&Don: Well as far I know Aleister Crowley started the O.T.O
Andrea: Ahh – O.T.O – yes of course
Dan&Don: during world war 2, they were magical tools between the British lodges the leftovers of the “Golden Dawn” then the VRIL, all basically started out of Blavatsky teachings… from what I can understand. – – – Right.
Andrea: The O.T.O was even founded in Vienna. Austria.
Dan&Don: Yeah, I believe that. The closest chapter here is I think in Baltimore. Yes, this is probably 6-8 hours away from us.
Andrea: Wow. And you know, the interesting thing, for me at least, but it might be also interesting for you for example perpetrators my son was able to recognize, especially the older ones, Americans survivors in their 30ies, in their 40ies in their 60ies recognized the same perpetrators as their programmers, as their handlers, as their trainers. So, this group is operating worldwide it is not so huge as it seems. My impression is that the core programmers are still alive Mengele is still alive, Aribert Heim is still alive and they are not giving out of their hands their basic knowledge – that´s at least my impression.
Dan&Don: So, where would you think he is hiding, if Mengele was still around, in Brazil or – – – Argentina?
Andrea: There are many reports that Mengele is in New York, looking like in his 50ies or 60ies
Andrea: Yes, I believe that too. And first, you know, I was studying with comparative literature and there I was dealing a lot with the 3rd REICH and the Jewish survivor reports of the concentrations camps and some of them were saying, “they are still here” – they were saying this in the 90ies – “they are still here, they are still attacking us” – and I was wondering what was going on with them, why were they so afraid, so there were many Jewish survivors claiming that – the same with American MK ultra survivor Wendy Hoffman, she is also Jewish. She is reporting – that is highly interesting – that Josef Mengele was starting her MK ultra programming in the early 40ies – in New York – long before the war ended. So, this is all a cover-up, everything was prepared that the Nazis will be then transferred to America in my opinion.
Dan&Don: Yes, officially we have in the books that we had operation paperclip – – – project paperclip – – – yes, excuse me – – but, you know what I was saying about the O.T.O and all these occult orders having the same core stuff (…) so it does not really matter, it is all the occult order. So, very easily for them to have – you know – we have the same type of society here in the US and we had them in those times – so here we have your networks.
Andrea: Yes, yes. I think on one hand they have these regression technologies for themselves and on the other hand they are playing a lot with time travel. So, I have concrete memories on my own programming now that I was talking with my own programmer recently, meaning one year ago.
Dan&Don: So, well how did that conversation go?
Andrea: Well, from my own story just to give a frame for that it took me years even after the situation with my son happened that I realized that I was total MK ultra too, because my programming is on one hand extremely well done and on the other hand extremely well hidden. So, when I am changing alters one nearly cannot see any difference – and no one can see it. So, a friend of mine, Miesha Johnston, she is also working with me for years now, is also stating that she cannot see a difference on me (when changing alters). So, this just to give a frame for it. But over the years I got some hints and, I realized when I was in Norway, actually, I realized that during a deep meditation a kind of portal was opening it felt as if my bed would get wheels, my bed would have been driven into another room, then an airlock of a military base would have been opened… – I was in plain shock and just shouted “No, I do not agree, I do not consent” – and then I was driven back, so I realized that I was fetched by a portal technology.
Dan&Don: So, when you say portal technology, are you talking about like people from a secret space program or a breakaway civilization, are we talking about the same portal technology?
Andrea: No much more practical. If they want to fetch you, they just need a kind of electromagnetic frequency I call it – I am unfortunately not a technician – but they just can fetch you where ever you are. So this I was experiencing on your own, you are lying on your bed or you are sleeping and they just take you and for you it feels as if your bed would get wheels and you are transported into – I do not know if I was on this planet or off-planet – but they just take you to a complete different location, and the same way I was brought back.
And there, I have memories, talking for example to one of the not so well-known Nazi programmers, Aribert Heim, but he was (has been) a close colleague of Joseph Mengele.
Dan&Don: Do you think maybe that there is any possibility that the portal technology or the leaving could be screen memories?
Andrea: No, – no, because it was not just ones, I had many of them… … I don´t think it was a screen memory actually, no. Because also during regression it was confirmed. So, I have memories on my own, meaning I made the experience during deep meditation several times – and during regression it was confirmed. But, I mean, talking about screen memories: All could be screen memories but it would be for too much in sum for screen memories, you know. I also found out during a session that I was programmed at the Wewelsburg castle in Germany.
Dan&Don: And that´s the place where the Black Sun and the 4th REICH is located, right?
Andrea: Yes, it is Himmler´s occult castle. And I found out later, later I did research, many are telling the same stories, that they were laying there on the black sun symbol… getting programmed or tortured or whatsoever. So, it cannot be a screen memory of all of us, you know.
Dan&Don: Right. You know it was not to be like accusatory or anything.
Andrea: I understand. I question myself a lot about it and actually, maybe, I think often too long
Dan&Don: You know, it´s been discussed in some of the circles that are circulate through that they now have the possibility to place false memories in your head – dark city style. You know, they can take a memory from one person and implant it into another.
Andrea: Yes, of course they can. But, you know, there are always – how is it called – injuries (scars) on your body. So why I do have these problems with my coccyx or with my tailbone? – without having any memories about an accident. Why do I have quite crippled pointing fingers without any memories? Of course, from torture. Why do I have memories like – actually I had the ability to store memories like an audio recorder or video recorder in my brain. Too many things that cannot get explained via consciousness transfer or implanted memories, you know. But I am very aware of the situation, that not everything is true. And I am very careful in my research, therefore.
Andrea: And, I am just talking about things, where I am 100% sure.
Dan&Don: We are like the opposite – (laughing) – we are going on air every week and are just (talking about everything) I mean on our show we are not afraid of wild connection – – – We speculate quite often. A great deal, it is pretty much the point of our show – it is wild speculation. But you know we also try to provide a platform where everyone can come in a non-judgmental atmosphere and let the audience decide on their own. And, I wanna thank you for coming on and talking about this – – – And I understand that you are taking incredible risk by doing it, but the risk not doing it is even bigger.
Andrea: I made a decision, I mean, my son, shortly before he was taken, I asked him – we knew it could happen because there was the imminent danger of course – so I asked him, what I should do in such a case, meaning if I should focus on him or for him and all his little friends, and he said – of course in his language in these days – please fight for me and all those other children. So, he told me what to do and I am going on with that of course.
Dan&Don: So, how would you go about trying to – or would it even be advisable – to merge personalities that have been fractured due to trauma-based mind control?
Andrea: You mean, in terms of healing?
Andrea: I mean, on one hand it is a very long process and on the other hand it is going very quickly, depending, if secret service or the cults who think they would own you are leaving you alone or not. So, for example Miesha Johnston is doing wonderful sessions with me as a hypnotherapist, but, for example after every single session I am fetched and memories are again deleted. So, I just have the audio recordings and it is very difficult to come into this memory flow. So, healing is possible very quickly in my opinion when you are left in peace. That´s my message, you know. And many are also, like we do know from other secret space whistle-blowers like Penny Bradley who is a friend of mine and a colleague – she is also under attack. So, the point is: Are you left in peace, are you attacked by direct energy weapons, are you poisoned, are there murder attempts against you or are you even fetched and your memories are wiped out again and again and again?
And what cannot get healed – sorry, just one sentence – what cannot be healed, if you have mutilations, for example, this cannot be healed and even if I would get back my son now, I cannot give him back his childhood.
Andrea: Same here with me, but alters can be integrated, alters can be found, it is not such a big deal, but most of us are not left alone, they do not let us live in peace, that´s – for most of us – the problem, I think.
Dan&Don: During all your healing, have you figured out, what the intend was for your mind fracture?
Andrea: The intend for my mind fracture?
Dan&Don: Yes, what did they use you for?
Andrea: What I have found out so far, but this section is blocked the most, is, that I was used I have memories of being used for small or smallest agency jobs. I was used in Montauk seemingly my ability was or is to search for or to find certain things they used this ability a lot
Dan&Don: Now, was that something like astral travel or remote viewing or was that something different?
Andrea: My memories are more remote viewing based.
Dan&Don: okay, they were using you as a remote viewer.
Andrea: this at least I know at the moment, and it is – at the moment very difficult to find them (…) And seemingly in some point in time they started to use me for the role I am playing now because for me it cannot be a coincidence, you know… … also the studies, my whole education. I mean why did I study comparative literature? So, you are good in observing, in puzzling together text pieces… then, I have an education in business, in statistics, … then also as a counsellor, trainer coach – so, I don´t think this is a coincidence, I really think they trained me to be capable for the role I am doing now. So, it is a bestial cynical game actually. you know?
Dan&Don: Yes, it is seemingly.
Andrea: And first, I thought, wow, you are so lucky to have all these educations and over the years I tend to think, well, was it really my decision? You know what I mean?
Dan&Don: Yes, and earlier you talked about shifting from one personality in the other and it was not indistinguishable so that´s kind of scary for me – how do you even know then, like of how much of what you are doing is wanted to be done and how much is a programming? Like you are coming to my show right now, you know what I am saying?
Andrea: I mean, I am used to that, everyone who is programmed is used to that. It is normal – I recognize it now better when I am in a program, I have the classical “fight or flight” modus, this are signs for me that now I am in a program or in an alter that is suggesting that there is no other way. Or, in the early years I found out that when I am extremely ill, I start to look the brightest… I start to shine, you know. This is done via extreme torture “no one is allowed to realize how you are really feeling”.
Dan&Don: Yes, that´s bad. – – – The sense of isolation is overwhelming.
Dan&Don: Yes, having the secret, not being able to tell the world that this stuff is happening and happened.
Andrea: I mean, I can tell the world.
Dan&Don: I mean like for the victims…
Andrea: I mean is a huge point in my life, that´s why I stopped here. They keep me well isolated; I am living here in a small studio actually in Vienna and they are keeping me in principle isolated for years now. I have fortunately friends all over the world which can be met over the internet, but there are no local friends, there is no local network and, over the years – it is maybe also interesting – even after the thing happened to Luki, my son I was brought into an even more sever isolation over secret service agents: They come as helpers, they come as friends and, over months and years you realize, well now I am completely isolated.
Dan&Don: Have you lived in Austria your entire life?
Andrea: Mostly, yes. I lived several months in London, in the beginning in 2013, where I tried desperately to find help for my son, I lived and worked in London for about 6-9 months, then I lived also in Asia, after a murder attempt I had to fly and lived in a Buddhist monastery to find some healing then I was a few months in Switzerland, then I was in Norway and most of the time I was accompanied by secret service officials, so they are really eager to prevent you from working on one hand, re-trigger you, re-program you, keep you ready for whatsoever, you know to target you.
And what they also do, especially in the early years, they do a lot of – this is extremely important for the audience – they do a lot of what we call “operative psychology” this means “erosion of the soul” – “ZERSETZUNG”: They really try to kill you by killing your soul or hurting your soul so much that you either get really insane, or you commit suicide or you knock at the door of a psychiatry and ask to live there for the rest of your life. And this is extremely dangerous – I am not joking about this – for example one of the first helpers that was here, was from the secret service – officially he wanted to help me and my son – and sitting in my living room and having coffee with him, all of a sudden I thought, O my god, I had the feeling now I am getting crazy to be honest, as there was so much cognitive dissonance in this meeting until out I found out, that he was one of the torturers of my son.
And it sounds very easy now here, when I tell this, but when you are in this situation, it is nearly unbearable. And they love, for example, to send you agents, that were involved in the torture – it is extremely important for breaking you down on a soul level because your unconsciousness knows it – just you as a person does not know it and – after this did not work anymore – because when you find it out once you find it out much quicker the next time, and so on, so it does not work any more
What they also did, for your audience this is also important, they recorded the torture events of my beloved son meaning his crying, begging for help, crying for me and then, they sent me these happenings over white noises (into my living room). So, the same is going on, you are unconsciously on a soul level listening to that and you do not hear it directly, because it is white noises and I promise you, if you do not find out, you are getting insane, it is nearly unbearable. As soon as you find out it does not hurt you so much and you can try to record it and then often it immediately stops.
Dan&Don: Do you think this is what could have happened to the diplomats in Cuba? And a couple of other places, I think China, there are diplomats claiming to be sonically attacked.
Andrea: I think yes, because even if it is not your child it is breaking down every sentient being. It is unbearable, it is really unbearable. Because on a soul level it is eroding your soul, it is weakening you and you have no idea because you do not hear anything, you know. So, yes, my opinion is this could be.
Dan&Don: So, is there any way you could possibly shield yourself from that besides from living in a
Andrea: I think the most important thing is to know because what you know cannot kill you or cannot drive you insane you can do something about it. General protection is very difficult for example, because I was sitting in Norway in a small little Fjord, you know and they came to electroshock me in my living-room from outside.
Dan&Don: That´s terrible.
Andrea: and this device can be bought in any shop worldwide. Even privately, so even we could buy it if we wanted to, you know. So, it is more important to find out what is going on, and about the mechanism how the secret service operatives and their satanic crews are operating then to protect, because you cannot be so protected, they most often find a new way, you know.
Dan&Don: right. Always a countermeasure.
Andrea: Yes, and for example in the settlement where I live in Vienna half of the settlement thinks I would have (tried) to commit suicide because a secret service officer told them so…
Andrea: yes, the other third thinks I am insane (and the few left do have children in mk ultra or SRA/child trafficking programs on their own)
Dan&Don: Just to clarify, when you say secret service, are you talking about something over there or are you talking about the US secret service?
Andrea: Oh, no, here in Austria I talk about local Austrian secret service.
Andrea: And, I even after a murder attempt, I mentioned them even with name, picture, address towards prosecution office, but they do not mind.
Dan&Don: So, in Austria, what would be the secret service be in charge of? What would be their main job? Here in America, their only job is to protect the president.
Andrea: Aha, okay, I did not know that.
Dan&Don: yeah, we got the CIA and the NSA, they are all intelligence agencies. The (…) defence agencies, the whole we call them alphabet agencies… but the secret service basically is just here to protect the president… Yes, the CIA and the FBI are the 2 big intelligence agencies that most people know about
Andrea: Okay. Here in Austria we have the situation that general population does not know that secret service does even exist. So, when you start to talk secret service, they more tend to think that you are insane, they are so brain-washed so, this means that Austrian secret service is excellent because a population that does not know that the agency exists shows that the agency did a brilliant job.
Dan&Don: So, this would be more a “men in black” agency than the CIA? The men in black, that do not exist to investigate UFO, (…) or they come and collect evidence on topics that technically do not exist? Yeah – they are part of an organization, that´s so secret that there is no name for it.
Andrea: Yes, something more like this. And you know, they more look like we do… they are caretakers of houses, housewives, pensioners, invalids, …they really have a brilliant stuff, you know it is not – we all have still have in our mind the James Bond type.
Andrea: And when someone is not looking like this type it cannot be, you know.
Dan&Don: So, you have to look on your watch and I am sure a good portion of old Europe remembers secret police
Andrea: So, it is extremely difficult here in Austria. We here are also not allowed to talk about UFOs and not allowed to talk (actually think) about aliens.
Andrea: Yes, we are so brainwashed, even I am I have to admit. I have really troubles to talk about aliens… … because it is so forbidden here that you do not dare (even think about it), you know?
Dan&Don: Yeah, American culture is pretty obsessed with aliens and there is a state in the US that made a law that made it illegal to get abducted
Dan&Don: Can you believe that?
Andrea: Yes, but this is free speech and we must not forget that we are here in the Nazi home-base so why are they the brainwashing the population even to not dare to think about it? Of course, we have a lot of alien contacts a lot of (informal) bases, a lot of UFOs but it is the best protection, no?
Dan&Don: Yes, I guess so it is given a giant stigma I mean it used to have a pretty big stigma here too, but it is losing up in the last 20, 30 years I would say. – – – Well, we are speaking here about the CIA there it was said, everything you see on TV, everything you hear on radio anything that makes its way into the mass consciousness, is what we call culture changing, is you know – basically the powers that be taking these ideas and grounding them into the American Zeitgeist. So, are you are familiar over there in Austria with the Tavistock institute?
Andrea: Yes, of course.
Dan&Don: So, a lot of techniques come from them for mass penetration. And repeating chunk at the psyche on a mass level – – – So, I think the way it worked here is, keep this under-wiring sort of theme, that if anybody talks about it like UFOs or extra-terrestrials, yeah, they are crazy, but… since we have such a hard time making everything who is seeing something in the sky look crazy… we are just getting here “not talk about it” or “make it part of the culture”.
Andrea: Yeah, I mean, you really have freedom of speech, you must not forget this.
Dan&Don: Yes, for now.
Andrea: And you had gorgeous whistle-blowers, activists, scientists over the last 60 years actually who did so much from any angle of the truther scenes… basic field research – Anthony J. Hilder, Cooper – I now miss his first name –
Dan&Don: Bill Cooper – – – Milton William “Bill” Cooper
Andrea: than all those dealing with SRA and MK ultra, so without you Americans I think I would not be alive anymore, because I think they would have broken me.
Dan&Don: Well, on behalf of America, Thank you.
Andrea: thank you, America.
Dan&Don: You know, I mean I get the feeling, all of that is coming up backyards, as we recently had a few stories shared in the group – this is just in 2 days ago – that 2 major child trafficking rings are broken up, one in Detroit and one in Georgia.
Andrea: Child smuggling rings?
Dan&Don: Yes, and we are in Virginia.
Andrea: I mean, this news with smuggling rings, this is great for the concerned children, but then you maybe safe a few hundreds, you know. But, in my opinion it is more important to get out the whole thing what was done on them in terms of programming? Because then they are taken out from the smuggling rings and placed into foster places where they are ongoing programmed or used for whatsoever. So, we have to raise the awareness, in my opinion how the procedure is done on toddlers and small children because otherwise we cannot stop the whole issue. And these children are becoming perpetrators on their own, not all of them, but many. So, the number is raising of course, also the numbers of perpetrators are raising.
Dan&Don: Well there is a never-ending leak of horror stories that emerged from CPS – child protection services, the whole foster care system – you know, juvenile courts, there is a never-ending laundry list of horror stories emerging from those sectors.
Andrea: Yes, Nancy Schaefer, I think she was an American senator… she was collecting materials about your CPS and she was suicided with her husband, I think 1 or 3 days before the hearing
Dan&Don: Something we have to dig into – – – Yeah.
Andrea: Much is published about her, so you can find her – Nancy Schaefer is/was her name. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Schaefer)
Dan&Don: Sounds familiar. Was she investigating Haiti?
Andrea: She was investigating the CPS.
Dan&Don: So, just CPS, so she was not investigating child trafficking in Haiti?
Andrea: Not Haiti – as far as I know, not Haiti – but child trafficking and CPS and money laundering there out of child trafficking.
Dan&Don: Well, it is commonly known, at least in conspiracy theory circles that there are terrible things being done behind closed doors by the elites. So, the Clinton foundation is involved in Haiti… this guy Jeff Epstein, what is referred to as “rape island” in the US Virgin islands… … you know the Clintons made multiple trips there, probably twice as often as Trump but – yes – he has been there, then Weinstein, Harvey Weinstein – – – Just recently too, then we have this Nxivm cult getting broken up in the same type of thing – I have not heard anything about children involved in that one but this one was more human trafficking – – – Keith Raniere got locked up for taking pictures with 15year old girls (beside other things)
Dan&Don: the whole pizzagate thing, and you know people who want to laugh about that claiming “pizzagate is not real” – thinking it was just about the guy owning the pizza restaurant (…)
Andrea: I mean this is extremely important and I am so glad that other guys are doing this research but what I, what for me is more interesting, all those guys you mentioned, Weinstein, Clintons, etc. – all those guys are MK ultra themselves. So, also my son told me – this was so interesting – heart-breaking, heart-breaking: he told me that other toddlers were present and they were forced to do him “ouch” – “ouch” was our code for torture, you know. So, the small ones, perpetrators were forcing their own children to torture my son and other children – so this is part of their mk ultra program – that they have to do this to other children. And when you see them growing up then, then you have the adult versions of Weinstein, Clinton, however they are called or Bush – same here in Austria, no difference – By the way – Arnold Schwarzenegger – also involved in all this, is Austrian.
Dan&Don: You know, you mentioned Bill Clinton being MK – I met Bill Clinton one time, he was campaigning for his wife, in 2008 or something like that and he was doing some speech for her in a gymnasium and at the time I was involved in a actors groups and we stood there asking questions (…) – ambush journalism basically – (…) – so someone dared to ask him about the Bohemian Grove. And when I got to him it was so strange it was as if – the energy in the room was as if he was a rock star – he held his speech and he is doing the meet and greet thing and he just: IT was empty. Like his face, it was just like – you know – I shook his hand and asked a question and he was just blank face and it all seemed as if he was not even there. It was great.
Andrea: I mean there is this famous video from him online – I do not know if you know it – but where he gets make-up before a speech I think, and there you see, that there is nothing there, that he is just a shell
Dan&Don: It seemed that way to me. I mean he did the speech well you know – he seemed alive and well he was giving a speech, but afterwards it was just like if he was looking through everyone. You know, he did not even see anyone in the room.
Andrea: I think this is more important – for me it is more important – to point the fact that they are programmed themselves. That does not mean that they are without guilt of course they need to take back their personal responsibility and liability. you know. But it is important that we know that they are programmed themselves, so were programmed for these roles. So you have all these perverted torture events with small children – I am not talking about sex, because for a child it is always torture – when you just think of the body measures of a child or a toddler and an adult man or even woman – it is torture, but they are programmed to do this. And of course, it is still the responsibility – even programmed – of them to seek help, to stop it and overtake responsibility and liability. We must see that they are victims on their own and that even their children are programmed into this role to become perpetrators later on. So, if we do not see it, if we do not recognize it, it never stops.
Dan&Don: And, yeah, this is kind a common thing with molestation cases and stuff like that that are not necessarily tied into SRA or Mk because there are just people out who do that. And the children themselves turning around and doing it to other children, maybe thinking it was normal as it was done on them. You know, outside of the whole ritual abuse thing, and well, yes if there is on top the whole programming thing, there is no wonder.
Andrea: Yes. And I mean many survivors are speaking out and say I want to stop this – so, you have the decision – I made the decision, many others did so not all victims are becoming perpetrators.
Dan&Don: Right, so, what do you think I guess the stats – how many do you think are concerned? (….)
Dan&Don: So, I guess if we step up to the plate so to speak to realize that it is happening to you first. I wished, there just were a beam we can use to reveal all of this – if there exists one, maybe it does I think it is a kind of violation (…) once you have done this kind of shit (…)
Andrea: And I mean there are different levels of programming. Not everyone gets the – I am now cynical – gets the governmental programming from the secret service with lifelong torture included. There are many steps from basic child abuse to mk ultra programming and many grey zones, you know. So that´s why I think and many talk about it, that millions are concerned.
Dan&Don: With that not giving too much information away where I work… – everyone knows where you work, Dan – – – Ah, well, I work here in (…) and this kid says “mummy, I want this starburst” and the mummy says “no, you get the skittles to support the troops” – You remember the white and blue skittles they had one day? – and well, brainwashing starts at home. That was just an anecdote, well I mean cultural conditioning, this kind of programming. You know, it is little things like that, that adds up to overall programming. A computer program is made of lots of bits of codes. Right, and that bit of code right there.
Andrea: Yes, of course (…)
Dan&Don: So, we are about of running out of time here. So, we again want to thank you for coming on – Her website there – if you guys are interested to check it out- there is a lot of cool stuff on it and will later post it to the group. So, go check that out. Andrea, do you have anything in closing that you would like to say?
Andrea: Yes, to parents out there, I just want to mention, I did a lot of work on traumabasedmindcontrol.com, the most important information is in the forensics chapters and if you are in the situation, try to find immediately a lawyer, and go together with the lawyer to a hospital, maybe you pay even privately for it, and do a MRT/CT/nuclear medical examination of your child, document everything, even the reaction of the child toward the hospital equipment and the atmosphere, because most often it is accompanied by flashbacks. If you don´t do this, you have no proof in your hands and most often your child is taken away. And you have any questions, you can reach me on Facebook or over the website traumabasedmindcontrol.com
Dan&Don: Awesome. Thanks for coming on and we hope to speak to you soon – it´s been a great discussion.
Andrea: Thank you for having me and I wish you a nice evening in Virginia then.
Dan&Don: You too. Thanks for coming on and thanks just the level of bravery it takes to come forward on this (…) and this is the kind of courage and get this rich and nefarious elites that are manipulating humanity from the shadows (…) this is where it starts.
Andrea: Yes, thank you too, for your work, I think we all are brave here, doing something, we all chose our topic, I chose mine your chose yours. Thank you for having me.
Dan&Don: No problem, talk to you soon.
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